December 14th, 2010
I’ve had some time to read more about what is going on and think I’m getting a clearer picture. Let me restate the basic issue with greater understanding than I did before.
Martin Gaskell is an astronomer in my subfield, and a pretty good one, and someone I consider a friend. He’s also pretty religious and has been writing and speaking about the relationship between science and religion for some time.
A few years ago, it seems he was forced out of his faculty position at the University of Nebraska. I am fuzzy about some of the details there. What I read yesterday some places suggested that he was finding ways of circumventing his teaching duties in favor of research. I know Martin told me 5-6 years ago that the astronomers had taken on extra voluntary teaching to offer more astronomy courses, and that the physics-dominated department was also moving away from astronomy in general. So, I don’t know these details for sure, although they’re likely relevant in the sense that he’s had some history of problems that led to his job search in 2006-2007.
He was up for a job at the University of Kentucky for observatory director. Their observatory is not a research facility, but a facility for education and public outreach. A PhD level scientist like Martin, with 30 years experience and a hundred publications, was overkill. So, he’s either overqualified or superman here. Kentucky wound up hiring someone with only a masters degree whom they already knew well and had been working in the department supporting classroom demonstrations and the like. He’s apparently been doing a good job in the position.
I’m also kind of surprised Martin would even apply for this job, or be happy if he got it, as it’s not a research position at all. More about that coming below.
So, according to some of the depositions and things I’ve read, Martin didn’t get the job offer for several possible reasons, one of which is related to his religious beliefs but perhaps only indirectly. Here were the two main reasons:
1. Martin is a high-powered astronomer who might neglect his observatory director duties in favor of doing research. Maybe he would do a minimally acceptable job as observatory director, but why not hire someone with a background better matched to the job who will do it with enthusiasm?
2. Martin has a track record of writing and speaking about the relationships between religion and science. No problem there, per se, except that his track record is pretty weak concerning evolution in particular, and his positions may be construed as supporting some form of creationism. Given that this is a public outreach job, in a city near a Creation Museum, perhaps it is not wise to hire someone who will be seen as less than bulletproof as a scientist and send the wrong message about the University, and who may in fact speak about evolution during the course of his job activities?
There is more to support the concerns in point 2. Martin apparently gave a talk at Kentucky in 1997 about religion and science. Apparently the talk was primarily good science, but did include more doubts about evolution than an astronomer should articulate, and in the follow-up Q&A there was a testy exchange. Apparently Martin said things that gave a number of people the impression he was some version of a creationist. His writings online (see last post) do seem to indicate that in the realm of evolution he wants to bend science to include supernatural elements, a form of intelligent design. Intelligent design was a movement, well, designed, to disguise creationism enough to get it into schools. Very few supporters of intelligent design, maybe none, are not religious and using the arguments to support their religious beliefs. In any case, intelligent design is not a scientific theory, there is essentially no serious research involving intelligent design, it isn’t scientific, and it does undermine science (in my opinion).
I have to say I’d hire Martin in an instant as a research astronomer, and probably wouldn’t in a job to communicate science to the public, school kids, etc., because I wouldn’t trust him to be fair about what’s good science and what isn’t. That, to me, is the issue, not his religion.
And that seems to be the issue among the astronomers hiring at Kentucky, too, except not everyone there sees that distinction. Some believe, or were concerned, that not hiring him based on point 2 was religious discrimination, and left a paper trail (email anyway) to that effect. Some just didn’t want to hire a high-powered researcher for the position.
We’ll see what the jury thinks. I have a hard time believing that they’ll be likely to have a jury with enough science literacy to follow the case well. I’m also having a hard time imagining Martin, and several of my friends at Kentucky, all going to court to testify over this stuff.
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Years ago I helped out for the summer “Public Viewing” program at York University in Toronto. York’s observatory was also a public outreach and teaching facility. The observatory head held just a Master’s degree. So I definitely feel the over qualified theory.
Reading more, the guy they hired was apparently super enthusiastic, came with energy, and a bunch of ideas for improving things. He just didn’t have this long history of experience and research. Arguably a better fit.
Let me get this straight: you’d hire “in an instant” a person you don’t trust knows the difference between good and bad science to do scientific research?
How can Gaskell be an excellent scientist without knowing what science is?
Seems to me you are allowing religious fear and prejudice to override your judgment about Gaskell’s otherwise undisputed scientific experience and abilities.
With logic like this, I bet UK would hire you “in an instant.”
Stephen, I’ve heard Martin talk about his research, read his papers, and had at least one of my papers refereed by him. He’s top notch in astronomy. He seems to be letting his religion seep into his perspective on biology, particularly evolution, and I’d be concerned about that coming out as it did in the 1997 Kentucky talk.
The real problem is compartmentalization. Religious scientists like Martin choose when and how to apply science and reason to what they believe about the world. I think this practice is bereft of intellectual integrity myself. I trust Martin in astronomy very much. On evolution and philosophy of science, not so much based on his documents online.
I’ve seen discussions regarding the age of the Earth and the age of the Universe, in which astrophysics, too, falls victim to some peculiar evangelical manipulation.
Scientists can’t prove God doesn’t exist. Religionists ought not massage data to prove that God does. It forsakes them as disingenuous.
I’m reminded of a quote from Ashley Montagu:
“Science has proof without any certainty. Creationists have certainty without any proof.”
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If I told you that my computer arose from the dust & primordial ooze in my office you would rightly say that I’m a bit daft. How much more unlikely that complex machines like plants, animals and humans could have had such an uninspiring genesis. Intelligent Design is simply the acknowledgement of that which is obvious and plainly visible in all of creation. There is order, design, purpose and incredible complexity in the universe. The human genome, the heart, the brain, the flight of a hummingbird or the galaxies of space are all imprinted with the fingerprints of a designer – if we dare to look.
Ray, it isn’t at all obvious. If there’s another designer other than evolution, that designer needs some lessons because they made a lot of mistakes and could have done it much better. Evolution, on the other hand, mistakes and all, can explain what we see around us.
Mike, the designer made mistakes or something intervened or changed afterwards? The possible explanations are nearly endless as is the case with most “scientific” theories including evolution and intelligent design. Theories are based on insufficient data. Scientific facts are provable, observable and repeatable. There is, however, a curious 3500 year old document, that many believe to be credible, that would explain the current state of entropy, decay and the inevitable slide from order to disorder in the universe. The document I refer to is Genesis chapters 1-3.
Congrats, Ray, you’ve made half the insight you needed to realize why intelligent design isn’t “a scientific theory” or even science at all, but apparently don’t understand enough about why science isn’t a religion to connect the dots. Keep trying, and try reading more than one badly biased and error-ridden book in the future. Good luck!
Mike, nice try but I wrote that Intelligent Design AND evolution are both theories. I put “scientific” in quotes because theories are not scientific fact, they are theories. Water boils at 212 degrees Fahrenheit at sea level. That is a fact because it is observable and repeatable. I can admit that I.D. is a theory (with some good evidence to support it). Can you admit that evolution is a theory?
Ray, you’re either a willfully ignorant asshole or just poorly informed. Either way, you’re embarrassing yourself. Educate yourself about what the word “theory” means in the context of science. It is NOT the same as the common use of the word. I don’t like to pull the authority card, but I am a professional scientist and know what I’m talking about here. Plenty of places to educate yourself about this rather than in some comments on a blog.
And evolution happens to be both an observed fact and a scientific theory. When you find the records of the aliens who tinkered with Earth critter DNA, let us know. Until then, you still have a lot of learning to do, starting at the junior high level.
Well Mike, it was just a matter of time before you had to run out of common sense and civility and resort to name calling. If you are really a scientist, which I doubt, you have just maligned the profession. Congratulations. Now run along and go stalk someone else.
Um, Ray, you came to MY blog spouting really silly things that simultaneously your arrogance and ignorance. I give the arrogant a pass when they’re right, but, really, hopping on the “they’re both theories” point is just a non-starter and not even worth a discussion, unfortunately. You’re not here to learn anything. You’re here to evangelize and/or pick fights with people you disagree with.
So, you can run along if you don’t like the truth.