June 14th, 2012
It’s too late now, but it was possible, so let me explain how.
Before I do that, let me note that some people loved Prometheus, like Roger Ebert, even though he takes issue with Creationist commenters who think the movie is pro Intelligent Design. There are some who are willing to ignore the bad science, plot holes, and inconsistent characterization in service to deep allegory. I don’t care if a story is an allegory or not — it has to make sense on its own surface level, and as quite a few others have pointed out, it doesn’t. The more you think about it — and it’s clearly a movie made for people who like to think about movies — the less well it fares. Here are some problems I’ve been thinking about, and how to fix them.
I’m going to go more or less chronologically through the movie and point out various issues and discuss how they could have been fixed. I’ll try to play fair and give the movie makers the benefit of the doubt in some cases, but even in those cases, it hurts the viewing experience to sit there thinking, “That doesn’t make sense.” Mostly I’ll discuss science and logic issues, sometimes characterization issues, and not try to remake the story. It’s clear that film makers do get science advisers, including Prometheus, which probably helped, but they didn’t get enough help.
The first scene, like the first line in a book, is important. It sets the stage for what follows and is really there to tell you what the movie is all about. The first scene of Prometheus should have been cut. That’s the only way to improve it, in my opinion. Here the spoilers begin. The first scene shows an engineer purposely drinking black goo (borrowed from the X-Files, it seemed at times) to destroy himself and seed a planet with life. This planet may or may not be Earth, but it’s clearly a tip of the hat to the myth of Prometheus giving humans life. Except that we know from the fossil record that life has been around a long, long time. Billions of years. We also know evolution works. We also see the Engineers DNA being snipped apart. If this is the origin of life on Earth, that works. Except it’s ludicrous to believe in the Engineers keeping the same form and same technology over the course of billions of years. As we learn later, human DNA is a “perfect match” to that of the Engineers. That is ludicrous. Humans are not 12 feet tall and hairless. We’re also only a few percent different from other great apes.
Let this be the first lesson about writing science fiction. You don’t get to throw out existing science. New speculative elements still have to adhere to what we know about fossils, evolution, DNA, and timescales. I didn’t know enough of the story to immediately be bothered by the opening, but as events unfold and more information became available, the less reasonable I found it. It literally doesn’t make sense to me now. Just cut it and leave the origin to be a much more plausible tinkering with ape DNA, splicing in Engineer DNA, that I’ll infer given enough hints.
Our second opening scene is with our archeologists finding new cave paintings dating to 35,000 years ago, more or less. As in others spanning from a couple of thousand years ago to then, there is a depiction of giants pointing to a star pattern, “the invitation” of the movie. As find out very quickly, this star pattern is matched by only one direction in the sky, and is not an obvious set of stars to pick out by eye. We also find out that the key planet we’re being directed to is some 35 light-years from Earth. Here’s something too many viewers like myself know: over the course of thousands of years stars this close move realtive to each other and to the Earth. The constellations 35,000 years ago were different than a few thousand years ago. What they could have done, which would have been cool, was to have an evolution in the star patterns indicating the proper motions of those stars relative to us, and us requiring a lot of computations to extrapolate back in time to reconstruct the star pattern which no longer exists today. Already I hear someone complaining that this is a complicated idea and too difficult to convey to a movie audience. I disagree. I think it would have been cool and made our scientist couple out to be super clever.
Then let me comment on that 35 light-years figure. On screen it was shown as 3.something x 10^14 kilometers. That’s stupid. That’s someone wanting to use scientific notation to indicate the place is a gazillion miles away (not “half a billion miles from Earth” as Charlize Theron’s character says at one point, which I give a pass since the character probably doesn’t know herself). There’s another instance of unnecessary scientific notation, so this was a clear decision to set the story as scientific, as science fiction, not a fantasy horror story with the trappings of science fiction. With the third opening, the ship, we enter hard science territory.
Obviously the Prometheus has faster-than-light (FTL) capabilities, even though we only hear about ion engines. It does 35 light-years in two years, and there’s no mention of relativity. Furthermore, there are indications that the same amount of time will pass on Earth, so definitely no relativity. This would take a lot to fix, actually, without resorting to wormholes. It seems FTL is part of the Alien franchise universe, and I’d accept it as a viewer. Not hard science fiction, but an accepted trope of the genre.
We have awkwardness on board the ship. Apparently a lot of the crew are not only ignorant of the point of the mission, finding the ancient astronauts/creators, they haven’t even met each other before. That seems unbelievable, and smacks of lazy writing, not wanting to start too slowly but also wanting to make introductions easier. Revise it! Tossed me out of the story thinking it was ridiculous the different people had boarded and got into their sleep chambers on a 4+ year journey without actually having lots of meetings and orientations. Just bad writing.
Now, I’m actually ok with the idea of ancient astronauts and alien creators as the basis for a science fiction story. It just has to fit within known science, which includes evolution and the vast evidence for it. The briefing on the ship makes it sound like it’s an either/or. It isn’t. It has to be an “and.” Newtonian gravity didn’t stop working when Einstein developed relativity. Evolution doesn’t stop working just because someone seeded a planet with their DNA pieces…actually that’s when it starts.
Next issue is finding the alien base. They just go down to the moon and fly around until someone says, “Turn here! Nature doesn’t make straight lines!” Or something like that. Why not send out some orbiting satellites and let your smart computers find the alien base? Could be done in a single scene, adding an extra minute. Maybe. And it would remove a bit of stupid luck.
Want to talk stupid? The couple of guys who opt out of alien invasion get lost. One of them is the guy responsible for the lidar probes mapping the place. The fucking mapper gets lost?! Really?! I need to punch the person who made that decision. Give them a reasonable excuse to get side-tracked. Something interesting to investigate. Anything other than “We got fucking lost because we’re the fucking idiots you hired for the most important mission in the history of mankind!”
Now, the group that finds itself in the alien room with the murals and pots of black goo…and worms that have survived millenia…they touch stuff. Real archeologists don’t touch anything. And why is the black goo there? And activated when they go in? I understand the allegorical explanation, but when you have bioweapons you don’t do it like this. Or your species goes extinct, which the Engineers should have done billenia ago if they’re this dumb. To be fair, so are the humans…
What follows are artificial plot problems, too common in Hollywood movies and a product of weak writing, stuff like when the woman is running from the killer and falls down. We have the super storm, which they could have waited out. They didn’t, and we have the dropped head. And then, we apparently have no safety protocols on the ship because we bring the head on board and pump it full of electricity.
Oh man, was that dumb.
As soon as we have an infected human wanting to come on board, we kill him with fire. The head goes in the lab and explodes, the crew member gets killed with few repercussions. Shaw never confronts Vickers about killing her lover — because we get distracted by immaculate alien conception. But I’m jumping ahead of myself…back to the exploding head.
And WTF fuck does the head explode? This was where I was starting to think we have a dumb, dumb movie. Imagine taking a mummy head, or any part of a mummy, and adding electricity. What does it do? NOTHING! Except maybe smolder. And why hadn’t it been eaten by the worms or whatever kind of living critters are in that room already? What have they been eating for 2000 years?
David the enigmatic android steals a sample of the black goo and gives it to our male scientist, who will do “anything” to meet the Engineers. We have a repetition of duplicitous androids here, from HAL to every other android in every other aliens movie, more or less. David did not follow orders on the spot. Bad David. But WTF would he give the black goo to a human? If I were kind, I’d say he learned something from the hieroglyphics, but that information should have been shared somehow. Too many question marks.
And when he’s killed, instead of quarantined off ship, or in a room designed for that…which everyone should fucking know about!!!…we conveniently have the impregnation. If you’re going to impregnate a sterile woman, let us know more than 5 minutes before you do it that she’s sterile, otherwise it rings false. Really bad timing.
I honestly thought that pregnancy thing was a dream sequence, because otherwise it was too stupid.
Not stupid in principle, just as shot. Alien reproduction as pregnancy is a staple I can take. The way it was done was dumb in Prometheus.
When she extracts her alien kid, we’re told the autodoc is for men only. WTF? Now, there’s an obvious fix to this: the autodoc is for the old guy, not his daughter. But I really don’t see with the tech available why anyone would build such a machine for one sex only. It’s ridiculous. It’s a software issue, not a hardware issue. It’s another artificial problem that this society would not have. It’s just adding a little gratuitous tension in a scene that doesn’t need it.
And, as we see later, the alien baby grows really fast. It’s not a problem inside the womb — there’s food there to grow on. It’s a problem inside the ship. All we need to see, during the tour of the facilities, is that the room with autodoc also has extensive food stores. I assumed that the baby monster in the original Alien grew so fast in part because it found food somewhere. If Ridley Scott doesn’t understand the conservation of mass, he’s not allowed to bite me. He just need to avoid science fiction in the future.
OK, lots more happens, some of which doesn’t make sense. Aliens waking up after thousands of years, intelligent ones, might want to scope out their situation before pulling a “Hulk smash,” allegorical explanation or no. If they’re really that uptight, I say we go after them and remove them from the game of life, because they’re too inflexible to take seriously. And while the other alien movies established that bodiless androids need an electric jumpstart, not so David. I’ll accept this because he’s a special case.
But when the Engineer ship goes down, after the Captain and pilots of Prometheus are a little too accepting of someone’s word and display a weird easiness about accepting their own deaths, the alien ship crashes. We learn that there are other ships. And the Engineer COULD HAVE RAN FOR ONE. He’s already capable of long runs in the poison atmosphere with his 100% human DNA. But no…he has to go after our heroine to kill her. Why? I don’t have the slightest clue except he’s an alien and it’s scary. And he gets his just desserts running into her giant face-hugging baby.
I think that’s enough stuff to fix. Some of my fixes are obvious and easy, but some of them require extensive rewrites since they drop the tension level in some cases.
Some final thoughts and issues.
David the android is not supposed to be able to feel, but it’s strongly suggested that he does. He acts like he does, “liking” Lawrence of Arabia, and saying it’s natural to “hate your parents.” I’m tired of the error of the android being simultaneously human and not human (Mr. Data!). Just be consistent.
At least one of the script writers has a background writing for Lost, which was about the mystery, not the answer. While I’m fine with aliens acting alien and everything not being explained (except perhaps by a forced metaphor/allegory), too many inexplicable things makes for a dissatisfying viewing experience.
I’m sure there are other problems I’ve missed, or failed to discuss. Already afraid I’m in the “too long, didn’t read” category. Other suggested fixes?
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Hi Mike.
That’s a good place to start. The fact that might be Tl;DR shows the plot problems with Prometheus.
I would do even more surgery
–Why does Vickers have to die so stupidly at the end? A giant “donut” is falling on her and she can’t do anything but run in a straight line?
Really? I saw an idea somewhere about having her survive and turn Weyland into the corporation we see in the subsequent movies. Why not have her do that?
I’ve also seen the theory that Old man Weyland told David to infect the doctor with the goo. If that’s true, it needs to be better set up.
–Reduce the number of characters would also help this movie immensely.
1)Are the geologist and the biologist along for any reason other than to be cannon fodder? if not, then I would have dumped them. Let the security guys be the cannon fodder.
2) Vickers didn’t belong there at all, and she really shouldn’t be less capable of reacting properly than the emotionally distraught and physically infirmed archeologist.
3) the WHOLE surgery thing is just screaming to be altered. I’m sorry. You don’t go around running, jumping, climbing, and falling after surgery if they just put you back togther with staples. And I didn’t buy the alien baby, either.
4) the ermgency of the “first” alien – I also didn’t buy it – if they were going to do it that way, then the pregnancy should have been the first alien.
5) you are going to take a ship made for another life form deeper into space? How?
I’d add just on the ‘alien could have gone for the ship but decided to pursue our heroine’ part that it seemed REALLY dumb to me that they supposedly ‘are’ us but yet he ran presumably for a few minutes to get out of the ship, into the unbreathable for us atmosphere, and survived it. Seeing as how the ship has breathable atmosphere for us (despite the huge gaping holes in it) I assume the planets atmosphere would be just as crappy for the engineer as it would be for us.
I kind of accept the FTL and Space Astronaut stories to an extent. The FTL function is pretty much established in past alien films. Since its nominally the same universe you can’t just completely dismiss its existence. As for the space astronaut story… hell when i heard of it I knew it was going to not make sense. You can’t just implant alien dna onto the earth a few thousand years ago and have it turn out the same. I find it hard to believe the Engineers havn’t changed at all in the two thousand years they tried to kill us in (That supposed to be some shot at Jesus being an Engineer or something which pissed them off?). So if they make future films I’ll imagine theyve been killed off. Always wondered about writing a proper space astronaut story though. If they did something like hibernation over long spands of time or repeat trips with relativity having a serious effect on a single ship/fleet or whatnot you could get some level of belief for a static alien culture seeding life but not in many other scenarios.
Have to agree with the poster above. Vickers just getting crushed by the ship felt hugely anticlimactic. Though to be fair the entire film basically wasted its characters to clumsily try and put across an allegorical message. David, by far the most interesting character, just didn’t make sense in his motivations.
I miss the original alien film where the protagonist wasn’t obvious (Ripley seemed like a complete bitch with all the whining she was doing and Ash was the voice of reason letting them back on the ship rather than being heartless and leaving them out there). When Ash was revealed to be an android, the captain died and Ripley took over it was an amazing evolution in the story. In prometheus the characters have no discernable drive and when they do they make no god damn sense but seem to have just been put there so they can start (can’t really call it ‘driving’) each scene.
Perhaps it was my fault that I expected at least a 70% ‘horror’ film on going in (though it seemed the film was ‘trying’ to be one). I just didn’t buy it because aside from David there was no sense of binding tension. We were just leap frogging from one wild scenario to the next. Only a couple had any sense of connection (David finding the hibernating engineer and the squid-baby-facehugger-in-waiting) and that was tenuous at best.
Also… what the hell is up with the black stuff? I mean I can only assume its not the stuff that the Engineer swallows at the beginning to create life since they speculate nearish the end that its a weapons facility. So why the hell are all these cave paintings pointing to a weapons facility? I saw an interview on IGN with the writer who said ‘well thats the question maybe they went to the wrong place!’ which to me (and frankly the rest of the interview was like this) smacks of gross hand waving to cover an inept story. As for the black stuff itself it seemed way too multi-purposed with no consistency. Mutates worms into cobra-huggers, causes breakdown in engineer (and maybe human tissue if we’re the same?), makes proto-face hugger squid babies, turns them into super zombies… I mean they didn’t even seem to make an attempt to hand wave it by calling it nano-machines or adaptive biotech that reprograms itself or some lame thing to justify them trying to create cheap shocks with something completely different every 15 minutes.
The whole faith thing was unbelievable and really forced to. I never really bought Shaw as a person driven by faith. Unless startling idicoy in the face of facts counts… I guess it does. Makes for shit writing though. If I believe really REALLY hard all the things killing us don’t really exist!!! Also David thinking he could just speak the engineer language with nothing but some cave paintings of a big guy pointing is a bit of a laugh even assuming they coudl communicate with the humans of those areas in their own language.
The thing that really bugged me most of the film though is how they forced the alien in at the end. Seriously… what? Why? Its not even Lv426. I can’t imagine the conversation that thought that scene was a good idea/made any goddamn sense whatsoever.
I have to agree with the additional criticisms. Vickers should have run sideways, the black goo did so many random things it’s crazy, and I didn’t find Shaw’s religious conviction, which was barely dramatized aside from her cross, realistic either. And yes, too many characters! Most of whom were only there to die, apparently.
You could probably make a two-hour documentary on what needed fixing with the script.
Did enjoy it though… which doesn’t say much really frankly considering the mess it was. Two hour documentary sounds about right pretty much start to finish more or less every scene you could find some seriously questionable things before you even enter the realm of ‘nitpicking’.
As an aside though… was anyone else really really dissapointed that the space jockey ‘elephant faces’ in the end were just helmets? Was massively let down they were just tall bald abino versions of us.
I was really disappointed, too, James. I have the Alien pilot painting hanging on my wall at home. Now I know it’s just a giant, bald human Engineer who spends too much time at the gym and has a bad attitude. Sometimes we’re better with the mystery.
And you know? After 2000 years why didn’t the worms in that room eat the damn head? What else were they eating?
The questions keep coming…
The head IS the engineer atop an android body thats completely enclosed so when it was severed it was just the engineer in the helmet popping off?
Oh great now I’m entering into the hand-waving the actual writer of the ship was propogating!!!
I’m pretty sure Giger did not imagine that his alien pilot was merely a spacesuit, any more than he intended to imply that the hypodermic phalli in his paintings have soft rubber tips “for her pleasure.”
Some of the Giger paintings with the phalli are on the wall next to the pilot picture. NOW THEY’RE RUINED! OK, I’m overreacting… 😉
I did like the review that had the xenomorphed worm creature scene described like this:
“It’s beautiful,” one of them says, despite the fact that it looks like a large undead penis.
There’s the intent in the script, and there’s how it plays out on screen, and the two don’t often match up.
Hey Mike, was searching to find these plot holes and science idiocies and found your site.
Some other things that was not mentioned.
1) Ion Engine always on in space, that never would be true since you can coast.
2) Ion Engine does not work in the atmosphere. Not enough lift and the ship needs another type of engine.
3) Davie eating food. On a trip far away, you will not have food wasted on an alien.
4) When the crew got lost, not only was one of them the mapper as you mention, but someone on the ship would have heard the message of returning and tell them they went the wrong way.
5) Fifield’s flame thrower magically vanishes. Don’t know where it went.
6) Any sane person seeing a worm in their eye would immediately run to medlab (hallucination or not) You took your helmet off, now play it safe and run to the medlab.
7) Shaw vomits more than her empty stomach has.
8) No ship is going to count down on impact, let alone the alien ship was moving which mean the timer cannot be accurate.
9) The guy shots the “Engineer” in the chest, nothing happens, the “Engineer” walks (not run), so shoot again in the chest and not the unprotected head? A federal/special forces/mercs would have shot his head. He would have been a hero, too.
10) The captain of the vessel has no knowledge of Weyland. Either the captain knows or needs to be surprise he exist. All captains are suppose to know what they have on board.
11) Smoking, waste of oxygen and air filters. Would not happen.
12) No radiation check of the air, no gigercounter.
13) No baggadge check whent hey return. The check would not be to find David’s hidden capsule, it would be to make sure no equipment was left behind.
14) 2 people stuck in the cave, last thing you would do is have everyone leave the bridge. Someone is always awake.
15) When Fifield appears at the door, the Captain does not shout he’s back and no one looks out the cockpit floor window that is over the cargo bay cheering his return. It’s like noone gives a damn of Fifield.
16) Alien ship falling, why run in a straight line, run sideways. Perhaps they are panicing, but after a few seconds they would have figured it out.
Thanks,
CarpD (^_^)
Something else occurs to me. I was disappointed that Vickers was just there because of a fit of pique – Every time I re-examine this film, the problems with the script start to loom larger in my mind. That it was much better filmed doesn’t mean that Prometheus is going to escape the Adventures in the Forbidden Zone quality comparisons that the screenwriting deserves.
TBH, I wanted Shaw to die and Vickers to live. The geek Biologist was the guy I can relate to and he died from stupidity.
I think it’s funny.
Back in the 80-90s, if you were Fat, Black, or Old, you were gonna die.
Now in the 2000+, if you Fat, 2nd Black guy, Geek, you are dead.
Thanks,
CarpD (^_^)
Hah yea just on the biologist, I think its funny that while he and Fifield chicken out early as the smart ones and try to leave (still not 100% sure I buy how easily they get scared I mean so theres some dead bodies if it was me I’d be more inclined to think thats what we’d find rather than living ones tbh, though maybe in such an alien environment pacing yourself is hardly the worst thing considering how everything keeps TOUCHING EVERYTHING). The biologist, giving that I would have thought he’d have a little more understanding about the dangers of alien life bascally taunts the snake hugger to grab him.
I agree with most everything you listed personally CarpD. I’m less sure on David eating though. Ash the Android eats in the first alien which seems natural considering how he’s effectively infiltration in nature. To Weyland David is the ‘son’ he never had. So maybe that functionality is designed to grant more believability as a human or to allow David to experience things. Even discounting the androids in the alien films I think because of David’s relationship with Peter Weyland that its not far fetched that he would have that kind of functionality and be allowed to do that. Besides as someone in a review somewhere (might have been here) put it people on ships in the past went for years and most of the crew here is in hypersleep for 99% of the journey I imagine they could spare some food for effectively one person (assuming he even eats as much as an average person).
The captain leaving the bridge to have sex with Vickers too stuck out to me but here I have to question if I’m being a little harsh. In a lot of circumstances thats a character flaw relaly that screws things up. The same way we scream at people to ‘not go into that room’ but they still do in horrors. Sometimes these flaws are necessary even if their stupid. Can agree its daft though because it basically makes the captain inept especially since (as I remember at least) they’d already potentially seen a life form detected. Even if it seems like a blip, with your people inside you can damn well get someone to watch the goddamn map while you get your jollies. Of course could just be concerned about justifing it to a crewmember (not that it’d be likely they’d find out if he goes to bang her and doesnt tell anyone its the same situation if they cant find him). Only real weakness in that is that he’s portrayed as a ‘nice guy’ and not an inept captain. Despite evidence to the countrary such as his lack of knowledge of whats happening on his own damn ship and the mission. So script fails there in no worse a regard than everywhere else in that it doesnt respect the characters.
No mention of how this huge spacecraft falls to the planet with ease? The women didn’t even move, let alone fall from the impact. (let alone the damage it would have done to the area)
And, yeah, not following safety and quarantine protocols is ridiculous.
In Alien as you mention, the android was hidden so to fit in, he had to eat.
As for David, he was known to be an android and no mission is going to waste food. Because you don’t know if you have to stay longer, you’re not gonna waste the food.
Mainly cause, if you run out, you can just walk over to a supermarket. You don’t even know if the lifeform on the planet can even be food.
But I guess, to show more human nature, he would have ate it when the crew awake, not during the trip.
Thanks,
CarpD (^_^)
Oh yeah, another imporant note.
We find an alien system, so we gonna send humans first and not a space probe.
But I guess the argument is that Weyland is on his last leg so we need to go there now. Not that by that date, I’m sure organ cloning would be there. Maybe it’s just me.
Thanks,
CarpD (^_^)
Well to be fair it (seems) like a big ship, and they are in hyper sleep for like…. 95% of it I wonder how many supplies you need. Completelywithout a clue of whats planned for ‘oh shit’ moments would have thought no rescue seemed likely I would imagine while there would be a surplus it wouldnt be huge since the immediate plan would be ‘shit happens/nothings there lets just FTL home’.
While I think from a narrative point its meant to be showing David ‘experimenting’ I think there is a logical point of it being a novelty thing ‘hey we make a robot so human like it can eat food’. Frankly I stand by my belief that its not so far out there considering Peter Weylands emotional attachment (or at least description) of him. Of course within the story theres no real indicator of that at all. For me at least I find it believable especially since its the ship with Weyland himself on it (albeit secretly) with Vickers as well making it a ‘special’ trip rather than some run of the mill event. Could swing either way though still a fair criticism.
I dunno on the probe thing. I don’t see it as far fetched that they could send a probe ahead of it (even with kidnapping 85% of the crew in their ship so they dont know wtf their even going for you can’t tell me they can prep a crewed vessel faster than a probe). Send back data to the ship as its en route with David there to look it over. Potentially weeks/months of data to glean over in advance. Even if you didn’t give David access and only the Captain to have preliminary data before they arrive would be pretty damn sweet. And if theres danger, planet not habitable, probe destroyed a little more warning than popping into the system blind. Also might make the whole ‘oh five minutes on the planet and we found it already’ mess a tad more believable.
And yea Evening can’t believe I forgot about the ship crash landing. I mean its possible their ship design is just… awesome. Would hope so considering the vast amount of time they had between seeding life and the films plot. But if the engineer ship can seriously fall out of the sky like that, hit the ground and roll over WITHOUT ANY PHYSICAL GODDAMN DAMAGE, frankly it shouldnt have been taken out by the Prometheus crumpling against it anyway.
Also, not necessarily a big thing I guess considering how near the end of the film it was, but that ship must have been a serious biohazard when it was taking off considering how leaky those jars were. Really wouldnt have wanted to stick around after it crashed.
The black fluids could have been flammable. lol
I have an issue with the cave drawings found in Scotland. They dated them about 35,000 years ago. Wasn’t Scotland buried under a mile thick sheet of ice about that time?
Potentially good point, LJking. I have very little expertise there, and given the other things in the movie, we should not assume that the creators did their research.
Somewhere I read on another blog, they mentioned the artifact being older than the people who made other artifacts found. By about 10K years I think.
Not 100%, it’s been a while since I read it.
Thanks,
CarpD (^_^)
I haven’t seen the movie (waiting for Netflix) but I do have a question. Everyone talks about “allegory” in the movie, but from the summaries I’ve read, I’m having a hard time figuring out what is allegorical in the movie at all.
An android that ‘watches’ TV seems highly inefficient. As does one that eats and ‘plays’ with no humans present(to assuage their fear of different). If I were frozen/suspended, would my brain function enough to dream or communicate with my electronic marionette? I really wanted to like this movie, but it lost me in the 1st 5 minutes.
PS: why is the UFO in the beginning not the same as the one at the end? Did saucers go out of style while I was evolving?
Cambias, my link above:
http://cavalorn.livejournal.com/584135.html#cutid1
discusses an allegorical interpretation of things that tries to make some sense of some nonsensical things, usually by appealing to Christianity related issues.
If there’s one good thing that might come out of this utterly dire movie, it’s that some teenage kid might watch it and come out of the cinema thinking ‘I can do better than that’ and then do just that.
Someone needs to tell Ridley Scott to look up what allegory actually means.
Oh come on, James! It’s simultaneously the story of Prometheus, Christianity, Christmas, and every permutation of father/son/daughter/creator/created/pregnancy possible. And faith vs. science. Or something. 😉
Here’s an idea: Ridley could put his special effects team to work to make a few improvements in the film. First, let’s have Meredith Vickers decked out in black leather vest and miniskirt, fishnet stockings, stiletto heels, spiked collar, auxiliary handcuffs, top hat, and bullwhip. Next, let’s have the rest of the crew dressed in multicolored clown outfits, complete with frilly cuffs, dorky hats, floppy shoes, fake noses, outlandish makeup, and silly accessories. Lastly, if they could throw in a chimp, that would be awesome. Then re-release the film and we’ll at least be able to enjoy a good laugh
I would have found it amusing if the first face hugger removed from Shaw had immediately leapt back onto her face and impregnated her…..
Sometimes it’s fun to explain the inconsistencies =)
If the drawing was of a cluster, perhaps (though unlikely I think) it would look similar even 35,000 years ago. But, then it would definitely be noticeable. The Pleiades are ~8 ly across and the average luminosity should be roughly solar (or more if it is evolved) which would make the average star around 5 mag at 35 ly, faint but visible. Also it would be around 12 degrees across. What would be really cool is if the Sun was a member of that cluster in the past (and they figured this out by measuring the metallicities and velocities of the cluster members). Of course then only astronomers would go see the film.
For the speed of light thing I assumed he meant t’, the time in the boosted frame. This means they were travelling at 0.99c if I did my math right. I always thought the idea that if you go on a flight near the speed of light, when you get back everyone you know will be dead is interesting (35*2=70 years after all). What kind of person would go on a trip like that for money? But all the characters in Prometheus don’t give a damn about anything so it probably wouldn’t bother them. Another reason why the Enders books are so good =)
For the DNA part maybe they meant the chemical composition of it was a 100% match? Maybe DNA in aliens is made of different stuff. Probably not though…
Someone in another forum wrote that the reason everyone is so incompetent is that the real mission is to get Weyland to the planet discretely. They then hired the stupidest people they could find, but added David to accomplish this goal.
In the other Alien films the corporation always has more information which I always assumed meant that they sent some sort of probe to investigate. This would explain why David is not worried when the captain doesn’t check the atmosphere’s composition before landing. Of course there’s no evidence for this in the script.
There’s definitely a lot of obvious mistakes, and some of them seem to be because there were massive cuts in the film. The two retarded scientists took the big transport back to the ship. But wait, they were lost in the caves, why was the transport missing? Also how could they be lost if they have a map and were going back the way they came? I guess the stupid crew member theory works here again.
Haha I started this to try to reconcile these mistakes but that just brings up more. Maybe next time they should hire a screenwriter that isn’t known for writing Lost, a show that introduces strange things the writers themselves can’t explain.
One more thing that’s fairly odd is Weyland’s motivation.
Why on earth does he think that
a) The Engineers are still alive out there
b) They’ve got the secret of immortality
c) They’re going to give it to him just because he’s found them.
Sorry if this has been covered before…but WHY in God’s name would they take off their helmets just because the air is breathable? Its just common sense that there might be airborne viruses and bacteria that could have harmed or killed them all!!! ESPECIALLY when they encounter the goo area.
I mean you don’t even have to be a doctor or a scientist – doesn’t everyone past 8th grade know how many humans have died over the centuries after being exposed to new and deadly infections? Black Death or Native Americans after he Spanish arrived, anyone? Spanish Flu? Ring any bells? Do they not know this in the future?
Shawn, I think some of your fixes might work, but a few of them are contradicted by information in the movie that would require more rewrites…or, as you point out, there’s just no evidence the characters (e.g. writers) have a clue.
I thought it was silly that Weyland’s presence was a big surprise. I also thought it was silly he didn’t just go into hypersleep on Earth and wait for his cure, whether from the Engineers or from our own advancing technology. He’s a freaking trillionaire after all, in an era of hypersleep, and could fund the research himself.
Jason, I think the issue is that actors do their job better without helmets. Same reason so many superheroes lose their masks early and often in other movies.
“Jason, I think the issue is that actors do their job better without helmets. ”
I am aware of that. But a simple half a sentance would have helped. When the doctor says the air was cleaner than Earth, she should have added, “…and I my scans show no pathogens or toxins.” Which would have sounded ger-rrrreat with her Sco-ish accent.
Yes, little things like that would have helped, Jason. The black goo room was not yet opened at that point…
Even if the air IS breathable and not toxic/laden with pathogens, there’s no guarantee that it will stay that way – after all, only the interior of the ship has breathable air – who knows what might turn off the generators/blow a hole in the side etc.
To me, taking off your helmet just seems contra-indicated on an alien world.
Of all the silly things which occur in the movie, the helmet removal thing bothered me the least. The thing about pathogens is that they only evolve in an environment where there are organisms that they can infect. In other words, with no humans native to LV 233, no viruses or bugs that evolve there are likely to be infectious to humans. So it’s not ridiculous to take off the helmets once it is discovered that the gas mixture is breathable.
Sadly, I believe films like Prometheus demonstrate how out of touch many of the directors and decision makers are in Hollywood. In an era where grannies have smartphones, “Google” subjects, and play games on Facebook, you cannot play fast and loose with commonly understood science facts. Me thinks “Sir Ridley” lacks a clue.
” In other words, with no humans native to LV 233, no viruses or bugs that evolve there are likely to be infectious to humans. So it’s not ridiculous to take off the helmets once it is discovered that the gas mixture is breathable.”
You do not know much about how diseases develop. PLENTY of human diseases started in other animals. They do not KNOW that there is no life on the planet. Just that no one answered there radio message. For all they know cavemen or apes or pigs or chickens or who knows what could be alive there.
Why, in TODAY’s WSJ:
“Bird Flu Type Can Be Transmitted Through Air
A new experiment shows how the virus that causes bird flu might trigger a human pandemic…”
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304441404577480700820235514.html?mod=WSJ_hps_MIDDLE_Video_second
Ive seen the movie a couple times (accompanying friends) and I thought Davids motivations for using the black goo on Charlie were more personal. Throughout the movie you keep being told that David has no emotions or soul. I don’t think that’s true. Watch it again, and watch the way he interacts with Meredith. Like when he turned off the video camera so she couldn’t see the cool stuff, kinda like sibling rivalry. In every interaction they have together Charlie was a real jerk to David, and was married to Elizabeth. It seems that David was infatuated with Elizabeth, he watched her dream for 2 years after all. Yes, he could have watched the others dream too but I don’t think he did. I think he killed Charlie out of anger and jealousy (or what ever passes for that in an android). If he didn’t have some attachment to Elizabeth why warn her that the engineer was coming for her at all? His mission was effectively over, his creator dead (which he implied was what he wanted). One fix would have been to add in a scene where David is studying the goo (under a microscope or something technical looking) and come to the wrong conclusion that it would regenerate dying tissue thereby furthering his creators agenda, he’d need to test it on a live subject. Have David do a scan for the closest crew members on the ship and maybe Charlie isn’t the closest maybe the captain is closer but he chooses Charlie instead.
My biggest problems with the movie was the seeming ease that David was able to figure out the Engineers system. He finds a bunch of symbols on a stone wall and automatically starts dragging his fingers over the glyphs in just the right order to start the hologram? The pacing there was way to fast. I think they should have made the controls more automatic. Maybe the Hologram was the the emergency warning notice. The human crew walks across a lazer and the hologram starts right up, one of the hologram engineers is seen moving his hands across the glyphs, David watches and begins to understand how the wall consoles work.
It would have been dead easy to add a couple scenes that show that some time as passed in their exploring (maybe they get stuck there during the storm and have to wait it out). Make David have to study the consoles and glyphs for say a couple days while the rest of the crew is off. Maybe a couple quick scenes where the archeologists actually have archeology tools out, grid lines maybe, taking photos, the boring stuff that you know they would actually have to do. Wouldnt have needed to take more than a minute or two. If you needed to save time somewhere else in the movie loose it by cutting the geologists getting lost idiocy. There was no real need for it. After they run off in a panic trying to leave the ship cut right to the scene where they find the room with the pre-facehugger worm things. That would allow you to also loose the scene where the captain leaves the bridge unattended as well.
Brian, I suspect you’re right that David actually has wants and desires despite statements to the contrary. Or, he acts like he does — ones deeply important to him — and it’s the same in effect.
Your suggestions for fixes are good ones.
Mmm I hadn’t considered the possibility that David effectively had the hots for Shaw Brian. Would perhaps make some sense about him warning her I suppose if that made sense but while I can’t discount it I’m personally of the view thats not really it.
I think David is driven more by discovery and considers that he can learn and thus his existence has value. This is in contrast to pretty much everyone else including his ‘dad’ who basically say he can’t feel, doesnt have a soul etc and thus his ‘life’ has no value. I think there are hints that David has some sense of self preservation (which is why I think he contacted Shaw to warn her) but I think he’s driven by a sense of discovery as an affirmation of his own value which is why he investigates and why he tries to talk to the engineer. His comment ‘doesn’t everyone want their parents dead?’ is partly the script writers clumsily trying to fit in with the themes of everything else. But I think to David its a rejection of other people and why he infects Charlie. At the face of it David’s just not fond of people that question the value of his existence.
That being said I still consider the whole thing to be poorly handled and symbolic of how the whole film ‘teases’ questions but thinks its great at just throwing a bunch of things in there and not untangling the threads even a little. I think half the reason David is interesting is because he’s not a human character. While he’s definitely the only character in the film that is even remotely interesting I wonder if he’d inspire half the debate if he did basically the same things but was human.
I completely agree about the whole lack of time passed though when as you say there are plenty of ‘tricks’ that would give a more accurate portrayel of the characters supposed professions and work fine. It’s kind of endemic in big blockbusters that they don’t do that stuff. Like the idea of a journey that takes time is completely anathma. Take Thor for instance. He goe’s from being a complete git to redeeming himself and falling in love with a ‘mere mortal’ over the course of… a weekend. We can skip them going to the toilet and the like I think we can space how long the story takes to show a more compelling journey rather than time jumping an hour at a time and struggling to make each moment interesting.
http://uk.ign.com/wikis/prometheus/Official_Quotes
Straight from the horses mouth so to speak on a lot of the issues raised here particuarly with David. Though still stinks of ‘wow we decided to make a deep film so we’ll wave our hand and you’ll think its deep to!’
UHHHHGH!!!! Those quotes made it WORSE!!!! Scott says JESUS was one of their EMMISSARIES?!?!? Awful. Made me go from disliking the movie to hating it. They made Jesus AND facebuggers?!?! Useless.
James, thanks for the link. While some of their comments are reasonable and show where they’re coming from, some of their comments tell me that they were just constructing a stupid story from the get go and that even Lindelof doesn’t know why some things happen. The writer ought to know, even if he never shares that information. Ugh. It’s like I went to Prometheus expecting a realistic painting, or maybe impressionist, and I got a bad abstract with the expectation I’d figure it out.
Addendum: Gorgeous abstract, but abstract nonetheless.
Mike, I agree with you about the film, just one comment: it is actually allowed by relativity to travel to a very distant place and back _without_ having aeons of time elapse back home (on Earth). This odd conclusion is a bit of an old hat now in physics circles (it was noticed in the 1990s) but AFAIK no Hollywood film has ever made use of it yet. Look up “Alcubierre warp drive” on the Internet. It’s an actual solution to Einstein’s field equations of gravity but its mathematics requires negative energy density to construct the actual device. And we don’t know of any matter with this property.